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I believe you, Dave. The pre and post Covid norms for my family made an incredible difference. I don't have a job that can be done from home, obviously. But my husband does! And ever since Covid he's been able to work from home on Fridays. It has been awesome for our family. I just remember so much stress around childcare. We once struggled to find a sitter which we needed between 7:30 am when we need to leave for work and 8:10 when the bus came. We went through 3-4 sitters who would inconsistently show up, paying them over 20 bucks an hour just for that small sliver of time. Then, after Covid my husband's boss was like "it's fine if you work from home or get in a little later." What the heck?! Could have been that way the whole time and it would have been so much less stressful. It is completely believable to me that small stressors like this add up to the decisions people make around how many kids to have.

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I think there are big class, age, and institutional divides on WFH.

I think for elite managers their job is to “fun” and they are like the lord of their own little kingdom. Who wouldn’t want people to kowtow in person!

Age wise I think older people just have different norms about WFH. (All of the people you mentioned are quite old). I saw a study recently that wfh is a lot more common with younger ceos. I would point out two that these people are all way past childbearing age.

Lastly, while I don’t think RTO is good for productivity, to the extent companies think it is there is an institutional mismatch between firm incentives and societal incentives.

This kind of get back to the maternity leave debate. Asking companies to pay for it never works, firms always find ways to pursue their self interest. You need to pay for it at the societal level (like the Nordics).

Similarly I think that perhaps we need something like a national reward for wfh (tax on RTO). If companies want to pay the tax (forego the reward) then fine, but try to get the incentives right. You can justify it in all of the money saved on transportation, energy, childcare, healthcare, etc.

Finally I think “RTO as stealth layoff” is a huge driver of this. I also think it’s a terrible example of corp think because it’s your worst employees that stick around and put up with it while your best leave.

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